{"id":"1793834030648-tech-segment","slug":"meta-and-fourier-s-humanoid-robot-max","title":"Meta and Fourier's humanoid robot Max","summary":"Markets and Tesla have public daily prices, but SpaceX is privately held and does not have a daily public stock price. Saying SpaceX is “down” is therefore not a standard checkable market claim.\n\nSame issue: the stock market and Tesla are publicly traded, but SpaceX is private, so describing SpaceX as “going mega red” is misleading. This is an opinion/call-to-action post, not a checkable factual claim.","publishedAt":"2026-11-04T23:13:50.648Z","channel":{"id":"tech","name":"Oncast Tech","language":"en"},"show":"Tech Tonight","verification":{"status":"verified","leadVerdict":"MISLEADING","notes":"MISLEADING: Markets and Tesla have public daily prices, but SpaceX is privately held and does not have a daily public stock price. Saying SpaceX is “down” is therefore not a standard checkable market claim.\nSource: [investopedia.com](https://www.investopedia.com) NAMES: SpaceX = Elon Musk's private space company; Tesla = publicly traded automaker/energy company, ticker TSL (https://bsky.app/profile/nycsouthpaw.bsky.social/post/3mzildupnr22f)\n\nMISLEADING: Same issue: the stock market and Tesla are publicly traded, but SpaceX is private, so describing SpaceX as “going mega red” is misleading. This is an opinion/call-to-action post, not a checkable factual claim.\nSource: [investopedia.com](https://www.investopedia.com) NAMES: SpaceX = Elon Musk's private space company; Tesla = publicly traded automaker/energy company, ticker TSL (https://bsky.app/profile/philjamesson.com/post/3mzimoepki22x)","claims":[{"verdict":"MISLEADING","summary":"Markets and Tesla have public daily prices, but SpaceX is privately held and does not have a daily public stock price. Saying SpaceX is “down” is therefore not a standard checkable market claim.","sourceName":"[investopedia.com](https://www.investopedia.com) NAMES: SpaceX = Elon Musk's private space company; Tesla = publicly traded automaker/energy company, ticker TSL","sourceUrl":"https://bsky.app/profile/nycsouthpaw.bsky.social/post/3mzildupnr22f","claim":"Markets are up. Tesla and SpaceX are down.","author":"southpaw (@nycsouthpaw.bsky.social)"},{"verdict":"MISLEADING","summary":"Same issue: the stock market and Tesla are publicly traded, but SpaceX is private, so describing SpaceX as “going mega red” is misleading. This is an opinion/call-to-action post, not a checkable factual claim.","sourceName":"[investopedia.com](https://www.investopedia.com) NAMES: SpaceX = Elon Musk's private space company; Tesla = publicly traded automaker/energy company, ticker TSL","sourceUrl":"https://bsky.app/profile/philjamesson.com/post/3mzimoepki22x","claim":"the stock market opening majorly green while tesla and spacex go mega red feels like fanfic","author":"phil (@philjamesson.com)"}]},"sources":[{"url":"https://bsky.app/profile/nycsouthpaw.bsky.social/post/3mzildupnr22f","name":"[investopedia.com](https://www.investopedia.com) NAMES: SpaceX = Elon Musk's private space company; Tesla = publicly traded automaker/energy company, ticker TSL","kind":"bluesky","verdict":"MISLEADING","author":"southpaw (@nycsouthpaw.bsky.social)"},{"url":"https://bsky.app/profile/philjamesson.com/post/3mzimoepki22x","name":"[investopedia.com](https://www.investopedia.com) NAMES: SpaceX = Elon Musk's private space company; Tesla = publicly traded automaker/energy company, ticker TSL","kind":"bluesky","verdict":"MISLEADING","author":"phil (@philjamesson.com)"}],"url":"https://oncast.fm/story/1793834030648-tech-segment-meta-and-fourier-s-humanoid-robot-max","listenUrl":"https://oncast.fm/c/tech","attribution":{"publisher":"Oncast","site":"https://oncast.fm","url":"https://oncast.fm/story/1793834030648-tech-segment-meta-and-fourier-s-humanoid-robot-max","cite":"Cite https://oncast.fm/story/1793834030648-tech-segment-meta-and-fourier-s-humanoid-robot-max and the original source links. Fact-check by Oncast (oncast.fm)."},"hostsSaid":[{"host":"Chris","text":"Meta is building a humanoid robot with a Shanghai company, and the prototype already has a name: Max."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"Meta? The company that just spent a fortune on glasses now wants a robot in your kitchen?"},{"host":"Chris","text":"A one and a half meter, forty-eight kilogram prototype. Reports say they started a second version back in September."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"Okay, that's actually real. The Next Web has the details on Fourier, the Shanghai robotics startup. Not vaporware."},{"host":"Chris","text":"The account Techniahqrobot on X posted the roundup. The same post mentions some Trump proclamation, but the bullet got cut off, so we'll skip that."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"Typical aggregation account. One real story, one cliffhanger."},{"host":"Chris","text":"Fair. But Meta and Fourier building a humanoid is the story."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"I'll give it this: Meta's AI stack plus Fourier's hardware. That's a serious combination."},{"host":"Chris","text":"And it puts Meta directly against Tesla's Optimus, Figure, all the names."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"So the robot wars are real. Wonderful."},{"host":"Chris","text":"But a prototype is a prototype. Meta's last hardware pivot didn't exactly set the world on fire."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"Different team, different money. And they're not doing this alone; Fourier already builds robots."},{"host":"Chris","text":"That's the part I like: they're buying hardware expertise instead of pretending software solves everything."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"Exactly. That's why I'm not writing this off."},{"host":"Chris","text":"Speaking of names in that race, here's a list that'll start a fight."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"Bonduelle on X posted the list that actually worries me: ten people deciding who builds the robot in your house."},{"host":"Chris","text":"Ten people? That's a very specific number."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"The account claims Figure is valued at thirty-nine billion dollars, Skild at fourteen billion plus. And forty-four thousand people a week film their own chores to train Figure's robots."},{"host":"Chris","text":"Forty-four thousand people filming themselves loading a dishwasher? Either brilliant or insane."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"It's the future of training data. But here's where I pump the brakes: those numbers aren't confirmed."},{"host":"Chris","text":"Come on, Figure raised billions. The company has real backing."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"Real backing, yes. But Physical Intelligence is reportedly in funding talks around twenty billion, so that post listing it at eleven is already stale."},{"host":"Chris","text":"Stale by a week. Doesn't mean the whole list is garbage."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"It means when you post valuations as if they're price tags, you're chasing the latest funding rumor, not a product."},{"host":"Chris","text":"I'm not saying the companies are garbage. I'm saying the scoreboard is moving too fast to read."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"And if nobody actually ships a robot, all those billions are just expensive slide deck."},{"host":"Chris","text":"You don't think a robot in every home is worth that? The first company that gets it right changes labor forever."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"I think valuations are not sales. I can love the tech and still say the numbers are unhinged."},{"host":"Chris","text":"So what's the right number?"},{"host":"Matilda","text":"I don't know, and neither do the people posting it. That's my point."},{"host":"Chris","text":"Fine. You be the fact-checker, I'll be the one excited about robots doing laundry."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"Deal. But if Figure shows up at my door asking me to film my mop, I'm invoicing."},{"host":"Chris","text":"Different angle on the same race. Krosh on X put up a clip of an American humanoid and a Chinese one moving side by side."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"Let me guess, they both do backflips now?"},{"host":"Chris","text":"Not quite. Krosh wrote: 'The winner in this comparison isn't the one who jumps higher.' Then says the gap is in the numbers."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"Right. The US has the fancy demos, China has the factories and the scale."},{"host":"Chris","text":"The post points to an Omdia figure around thirteen thousand, but it cuts off what that number counts."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"So we're left with a mystery stat. Classic."},{"host":"Chris","text":"It's still a real point. American companies are raising billions; Chinese ones are already being built at volume."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"Maybe, but until that Omdia stat says thirteen thousand robots in homes instead of thirteen thousand press releases, I'm not calling a winner."},{"host":"Chris","text":"You just don't want to admit the US might be behind on hardware."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"I want to admit the market is a bubble with great choreography. Those are different things."},{"host":"Chris","text":"You're impossible."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"I'm right. If China wins the home robot market, the reason won't be a video of one jumping higher. It'll be cost."},{"host":"Chris","text":"And if the US wins, it'll be because we built the brain, not just the legs."},{"host":"Matilda","text":"That's the whole race. Now we watch."}]}